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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 05:09:15
From: Space Digest maintainer <digests@isu.isunet.edu>
Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu
Subject: Space Digest V15 #231
To: Space Digest Readers
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Space Digest Tue, 22 Sep 92 Volume 15 : Issue 231
Today's Topics:
comment on Nietzsche's quote...
Ethics
Radio and property rights
Space Digest V15 #222
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Date: 21 Sep 92 22:18:10 GMT
From: Alexander Abian <abian@iastate.edu>
Subject: comment on Nietzsche's quote...
Newsgroups: sci.space
THE FUTURE OF SPECIES BY MEANS OF RATIONAL ALTERATION
OF COSMOS, OR THE PRESERVATION OF INTELLIGENT RACES IN
THE STRUGGLE FOR LIFE
A. ABIAN
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Date: 21 Sep 92 20:49:06 GMT
From: Steinn Sigurdsson <steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Ethics
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <MejDID600WB6EDEM8q@andrew.cmu.edu> bluelobster+@CMU.EDU (David O Hunt) writes:
If it's an either-or case, then yes, terraform Mars. But we aren't in
that position. NOR WILL WE EVER BE.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You know this? I'm impressed.
| Steinn Sigurdsson |I saw two shooting stars last night |
| Lick Observatory |I wished on them but they were only satellites |
| steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? |
| "standard disclaimer" |I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983 |
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Date: 21 Sep 92 13:56:28
From: Steinn Sigurdsson <steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Radio and property rights
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <BuwExn.M1M.1@cs.cmu.edu> amon@elegabalus.cs.qub.ac.uk writes:
Please note redirected followup
> How many radio astronomers do you know who can afford to sue CBS?
None under the current system. With strong property rights it would not be
just a civil matter, but one of criminal theft and trespass. The cost of
suits is an artifice of byzantine legal structures that attempt to allocate
a resource without actually setting down ownership and a clear definition of
that ownership. When the law is ambiguous, the guy with the best lawyers
wins.
If you know of a way to construct an unambigious legal system than
there are some mathematicians who would really like to talk to you.
Irrespective of the flat assertion that law suits will somehow be
cheaper and reulst in more consistently just outcome in a
neoLibertarian society, how do you compensate that loss of use
while to suit is in progress? How do you enforce your settlement?
And, why do you expect the rest of the world to follow along???
...
> Even ignoring that, why do you assume that having a judge make such a
> decision is better than having the FCC make it? The big guys *will*
> ride roughshod over the little guys unless there are referees to blow
> the whistle on them.
If my frequency is my property, as clearly defined as the surveyor lines
that define my backyard, then it is just as easy to define that a crime has
occured in either case. Big guy or little guy, I need only show a title and
prove trespass.
What if the title is not recognised? And if frequency allocation is as
efficient as land ownership radio astronomers might as well shut down
now.
An aside: there was a guy in England a couple years ago who defended himself
against a local authority that was going to bulldoze his house. He refused
to leave the property, and it was such a big deal that the BBC had a camera
when the dozer and a bureaucrat came down. The property owner shot the
bureaucrat, on camera. Most refreshing piece of news I've seen in years :-)
The Lib International should give him a medal, if they could get it to him
in prison...
What was this about never initiating use of force? Or is this a
convenient redefinition of "force"?
* Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
* Some people think they're really clever *
* Smash your head against the wall Specials, 1979 *
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Date: 21 Sep 92 20:46:05 GMT
From: Steinn Sigurdsson <steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Space Digest V15 #222
Newsgroups: sci.space
Sender: news@CRABAPPLE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU
Source-Info: Sender is really isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU
In article <Buuvxq.FFA.1@cs.cmu.edu> 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes:
> Obviously, people with a desire to broadcast will work out a peaceful
> compromise, rather than muscle each other, intensity-wise, and end
> up not brodacsting, with a host of civil suits, since the peaceful way
> is the prosperous one.
>This is a false assumption. Read some history.
I have read some history. The only time the above solution doesn't work is
when the gov. prevents it from working. A good example is ground water and
Nope, the first time this didn't work is when some big guy figured
that there really wasn't anything stopping him from beating the little
guy up and taking whatever he wanted. It only slowed down when the
little guys realised that if they grouped together and laid down
some rules this sort of behaviour could be moderated - this evolved
into social structure and governments - I'm sorry neoLibertarians
don't like the particular social compromise that they were born into,
and I applaud their efforts to change it, but don't pretend that
there is some inherent evil to the system because it requires you
to accept some unpalatable restrictions and make contributions to
the general welfare.
Please note redirected followup.
| Steinn Sigurdsson |I saw two shooting stars last night |
| Lick Observatory |I wished on them but they were only satellites |
| steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? |
| "standard disclaimer" |I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983 |
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